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The church’s moment of truth!


It has taken me a little while to collect my thoughts on this subject before I responded. It is a BIG topic. I’m not going to spend any time defending the Biblical view on traditional marriage. I’ve already done that. I’m just going to provide a reaction.

In the recent unsurprising historic Supreme Court ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, it’s been little noted that it was 5 for, 4 against.  In an unusual turn of event all four Justices that were against wrote letters of dissent.  Here are some interesting quotes I found from those letters…

Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law.” – Justice Roberts

States are free to adopt whatever laws they like, even those that offend the esteemed Justices’ ‘reasoned judgment.'” – Justice Scalia

Liberty has long been understood as individual freedom from government action, not as a right to a particular governmental entitlement.” – Justice Thomas

Even enthusiastic supporters of same-sex marriage should worry about the scope of the power that today’s majority claims.  Today’s decision shows that decades of attempts to restrain this Court’s abuse of its authority have failed.”  –  Justice Alito

The mighty power that was Rome fell due to a fall of morality, a corruption of government, and persecution of Christians.  We are doing a fabulous job following in their footsteps. If you are like me you are amazed at the amount of people in support of the decision who you thought were Christians. The Barna Research Group did a quick response to the Supreme Court ruling to find out how Evangelical Christians felt vs. those with “no faith” or other faiths.

Nearly all theologically defined evangelicals say they are not in favor of the Court’s decision (94%) – more than twice the proportion among the general population (43%) and even significantly more than the practicing Christians segment (66%). Only 2 percent of evangelicals say they support the decision to legalize same-sex marriage. They are also much more likely to say same-sex marriage will have a negative impact on society (86% vs. 40% among all U.S. adults), to believe extending marriage rights was morally right (10% vs. 52%) and to say same-sex marriage rights are protected by the Constitution (15% vs. 52%).”

This is another turning point for the church in the sexual revolution that began in the 1960’s. Opponents of our view rightly point out that we dropped the ball on the rise of divorce, cohabitation, pornography, etc. Will the church do what it has unfortunately normally done and continue to fall back into obscurity and cultural irrelevance or will it seize this opportunity to come together as one and let our 94% voice be heard?

The other BIG question is: will this victory be it for the same-sex movement? If marriage is what they wanted, they got it. I fear what they really want is to change the mind of every person who disagrees. They don’t really just want tolerance, they want conformity. “Love wins”. In other words, if you disagree – you are against love. That’s not really fighting fair is it? This has nothing to do with love. I personally do not agree 100% on everything with anyone. Does that mean I don’t love ANYONE? Of course not. Disagreeance is part of life, and it’s a part of being a melting pot of various cultures and beliefs. I believe THAT is what they really want to change.

I’m not too concerned for actual churches who disagree or ministers who won’t marry gay couples. I don’t see that becoming an issue for a while. People have been harping on the separation of church and state for so long that now they will have to respect it the other way around. BUT as was mentioned before the Supreme Court – what about a Christian college that accepts federal grant money or student aid or doesn’t allow openly homosexual students to house together… what will happen to them? The court admitted – this will be a problem. That is where the problems are going to start arising. Will tolerance swing both ways? Why don’t I think it will?

As a Biblical Christian, I have read the end of the story. I realize that things must get much, much worse than this for the end to come. I’m surprised it is happening so fast, but all the more opportunity to practice GRACE WITH SALT. Grace to everyone! We are all sinners, and no sin is greater than another. But don’t leave out the salt. We are the salt of the earth. We need to represent the truth. But there needs to be a balance to it. Too much salt in your meal and you will spit it out of your mouth, too little – and it is bland. But the right balance is perfect!


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2 thoughts on “The church’s moment of truth!

  1. I think you’re concentrating on a difference that doesn’t completely reflect the reasons why some Christians are in favor and some are against this court decision. It breaks down not only by sect, but also by age groups. Taken as a whole, older Christians oppose the decision, and young Christians support it. I also don’t agree with your numbers, but you didn’t cite a source. I think the breakdown by PRRI, which queried 40,000 people for their American Values Atlas, is more accurate and comprehensive: http://publicreligion.org/2015/04/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/#.VZSCEihZDL6

    Among the PRRI findings, majorities of Jehovah’s Witnesses (75 percent), Mormons (68 percent), white evangelical Protestants (66 percent), Hispanic Protestants (58 percent), and black Protestants (54 percent) oppose allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally. Among white evangelical Protestant denominations, white evangelical Baptists are the most opposed (72 percent), while white evangelical Lutherans are nearly evenly divided (45 percent favor, 48 percent opposed).

    The current religious affiliation of the justices is historically unusual. I couldn’t say to what degree it influences decisions, but six of the nine are Roman Catholics (including the four dissenters), and the other three are Jewish (all writing in the affirmative). There are no Protestants or members of Evangelical churches.

    Posted by Invisible Mikey | July 2, 2015, 12:30 am
  2. I encourage all Christ-followers to keep in mind that even though the same word is used, “marriage”, the God-ordained union of man and wife which reflects the union of Christ and The Church, the bride of Christ, is NOT to be confused with the “marriage license”, a government-issued document recognizing a legal contract between two people and the various laws at the state and federal levels relating thereunto.

    It is very easy to confuse the two when they share the word MARRIAGE in common. Yet, it was not always so. In fact, depending on where one lives, the government-issued marriage license may be a relatively recent invention. Some areas have had government-issued marriage licenses for centuries and others less than a century. In fact, one of the major reasons for government involvement in marriage licensing in some areas came about because many (including far to many who claimed to be Christ-followers) wanted to use the maximum powers of government enforcement to prevent “miscegenation”, the genetic mixing of “different races”.

    The Supreme Court issued a ruling about MARRIAGE LICENSING. Due to issues of equal protection under the law and many aspects of contract law, the ruling was largely inevitable. Yet, let it be not forgotten that the justices lack jurisdiction to define BIBLICAL MARRIAGE. I have wondered how the reactions and responses to the Court’s decision might be different among Christians if the word MARRIAGE was not used for both the legal term referring to the marriage contract and the Biblical concept of marriage. Yet now that the high court has ruled, those differences between Biblical marriage and the CONTRACT LAW associated with marriage licensing become even more important. Indeed, God’s laws concerning marriage have not changed. The court decision has ONLY changed the legal definition of a marriage contract. (That’s not to ignore the importance of the ruling. But we shouldn’t let it overshadow the greater reality which keeps it in perspective.)

    On the first Sunday of September, 1977, I preached a sermon on persecution of the true Church being inevitable and just a matter of time. I had seen it with my own eyes on the mission field and each time I returned to the USA I realized that the days of persecution here were getting closer. (I also said that persecution was the norm, not the exception.) I’m neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet but at that time I made the prediction that the first government-supported persecution of believers would probably arise over “discrimination issues concerning homosexual rights” and that our freedom of speech rights would be among the first to be compromised. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one realizing that generational trends were already in motion and it was only a matter of time until viewpoints which were quickly becoming entrenched on university campuses and on the west coast would eventually be widespread among the voting populace. Accordingly, even if the high court had recently voted 4-5 in the opposite direction, we still would have reached this point quite soon.

    The True Church has rarely been an effective witness for Christ in the world when life is easy and sacrifice is rare. Moreover, Our Lord told us that we should not be surprised when we are persecuted and in the minority. The visible church and the True Church are not the same thing. Furthermore, recent events are merely external symptoms. And as serious as they may be, we aren’t called to remedy the symptoms. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ and for the making of disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Posted by Bible & Science Forum: Professor Tertius | July 2, 2015, 3:59 am

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