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Admitting our assumptions



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  1. Ah, but it has to be exactly the RIGHT catastrophism for (young Earth) Biblical creation to be ‘viable’. The wrong sort of presumed catastrophism (and some real temporary and regional catastrophies have happened nobody denies that) would not be of any use.

    Posted by Ashley Haworth-roberts | April 25, 2014, 4:56 pm
  2. I’d contend that both naturalism and uniformitarianism are not just beliefs, but have indeed been tested scientifically. After all, every strata ever uncovered is consistent with the forces we see in the world today and we’ve never seen anything arising via supernatural means. One counter-example would effectively refute them both; and we’ve made bagillions of observations where counter-examples could exist. The next rock layer could be weird, only consistent with a flood. The next study into the efficacy of prayer could reveal a supernatural component. Yet this never happens.

    Posted by Adam Benton | May 16, 2014, 6:15 pm
    • Actually there are tons of discrepancies with your rock layers. If you are truly interested in them, feel free to read this fair write up of them: http://www.detectingdesign.com/fossilrecord.html

      Posted by Tim | May 16, 2014, 6:19 pm
      • That website shows that some fossils have been found that were rapidly buried; but my point was that everything we’ve found is consistent with the natural forces we see in the world. And there are many such forces which can result in rapid burial. Just look at the burial of Pompeii for example, which preserved an entire town with exceptional fidelity, no divine intervention required. Or mud slides. Or any of a host of other such factors.

        And that’s where the site falls down, it never makes the leap from “rapid burial” to “rapid burial that would be impossible through currently documented phenomena and only consistent with a divinely created world wide flood”. Without such a jump it provides as much evidence for catastrophism as Vesuvius’ destruction of Pompeii does: none.

        But prove me wrong. Which of the examples that site provides are completely inconsistent with all known natural phenomena and could only be explained by a worldwide flood?

        Posted by Adam Benton | May 27, 2014, 12:12 pm
        • You seem to be implying that the worldwide flood was not accomplished using natural phenomena. Did God orchestrate it? Sure. But he used all natural processes: rain/flooding, volcanic activity, seismic, etc. The evidence would look the same as the evidence those things leave behind. And because those things happen gradually today, you would probably interpret the flood evidence as gradual as well.

          Posted by Tim | May 28, 2014, 1:02 pm
          • The flood was a supernatural event as it’s physically impossible. For example, the amount of water believed to be involved would not be enough to generate the force needed to reshape the continents, as it is argued the flood did. But I think that is a minor point, compared to the main thrust of my argument:

            The flood is unlike anything that came before or after. It’s an event orders of magnitude greater than anything even remotely comparable. Sure, it might share some similarities with more normal occurrences, but it should be possible to differentiate between say, a fossil buried under a mudslide and a fossil buried underneath a global catastrophe that remolded continents and wiped out all life on earth. The latter should be easily identifiable, given how much larger the forces involved are.

            So which of the fossils/formations on that page show evidence of being deposited under such extreme conditions that it could only be explained by a global flood?

            Posted by Adam Benton | May 28, 2014, 1:36 pm

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