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Bones of Contention

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Presented below is a 50-minute presentation by Dr. Marc Surtees called “Bones of Contention”.  I’ve wanted to see this for a long time, and finally got the chance to check it out.  Dr. Surtees breaks down each species in the lineage of apes to humans and provides strong evidence from evolutionary scientists and recorded data that show a clear divide between the australopiths (gorilla-types) and modern humans.  He uses six key characteristics to show the great divide between the two categories, and the best part is he uses modern published scientific results that confirm his position.  This is the strongest presentation I have seen on the clear lacking of transitions between apes and humans.  I was once told all I need to do is visit a museum and look at the bones – well I just looked at them, and evolution is even more bankrupt than I thought.

A book of the same title “Bones of Contention” by Marvin Lubenow is available on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Bones-Contention-Creationist-Assessment-Fossils/dp/0801065232) and has great reviews even from skeptics.

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6 thoughts on “Bones of Contention

  1. I’ve read both Bones of Contention by Lubenow and Science and Human Origins by Axe, Gauger, and Luskin. I felt chapter 3 from the latter was a much more concise, well structured counter-argument to the idea fossil hominids demonstrate evolution than anything in Lubenow’s book. In several cases Lubenow presented lines of argument that in my opinion had been refuted over a decade before the date on his book.

    Posted by joecoder7 | August 22, 2013, 7:26 pm
  2. If genetic markers aren’t evidence of how closely related individuals are then what’s to stop people from saying black people are animals and white people are humans created by god? Actually people do say that sort of thing a lot. We are obviously related to people from other places on earth and we are obviously related to other primates and we are obviously related to mammals (since we are primates and mammals right now). And if you study comparative anatomy it is obvious that mammals are a subset of reptiles and so on and so forth. It’s even clear that we’re related to plants if you bother to examine them closely enough.

    I am watching your video, I love how he claims there are no intermediates then says “you’ve got apes above the line, humans below the line and fossils in the middle”.

    Posted by agnophilo | August 22, 2013, 7:58 pm
    • The best part is the last 10 minutes (40-50 min. marker) as he summarizes and shows a chart of the six characteristics in the six different “transitions” showing how their really is no transition – there is one or the other.

      Posted by Tim | August 22, 2013, 8:02 pm
      • He seems to be simply focusing on the differences and ignoring the vast similarities. And those intermediates are by definition intermediate. In taxonomy species (extant and extinct) are defined by their common characteristics. An intermediate fossil is a fossil that has the characteristics of more than one group and thus represents a potential progenitor of both groups. I am not a paleontologist so I’m probably not qualified to be able to tell if his claims about fossils are accurate or not, but the overwhelming majority of experts, including the christian ones, consider those fossils intermediates. I don’t see how that could be the case if they did not have characteristics common to more than one group.

        Posted by agnophilo | August 22, 2013, 8:07 pm
        • Perhaps his point is more specific, such as their is no evidence of transition from knuckle-walking to bipedalism, or swinging on trees to non swinging, etc. It appears to be one or the other.

          Posted by Tim | August 22, 2013, 8:18 pm
          • Weren’t you ever a kid? Humans still climb trees, we just don’t have to anymore. And many primate species are to some degree bipedal to this day. Here is a video with plenty of video examples of this:

            Posted by agnophilo | August 22, 2013, 8:29 pm

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